Hi Motylek,

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Marcin Gawronski wrote:

You can add next scientific fields of research : a) population of weak radiosources c) origins of AGN's b) evolution of galaxy clusters and groups, and it's connection with AGN's

Good. These are things I hope to get into, starting from galaxy formation models with realistic cosmological initial conditions and making the connection with AGN formation, my GPL (GNU public license) galaxy formation software which anyone can play around with is here:

http://www.iap.fr/users/roukema/ArFus/

But to me it seems that there is a huge amount of bits of observational information available, and there certainly lots of organising and correlating and understanding which is possible in existing datasets, let alone future datasets, and I would be interested in using just a tiny bit of computers organising power to organise through these ideas, taking a bit of the load off our feeble neural networks.

In any case, it's not a project I could do alone...

I must notify that from January to June I will be at JITRA in JBO, Macclesfield but I try to keep in touch with You.

OK, which makes this mailing list especially useful sooner than I expected! Once you're there, or now if you like, if you tell us the IP number of the computer(s) you use we can open up the web archive to that IP number. That way you can have the option of just looking on the web every week or so, and suspending email delivery (if there's too much email). I think there's an option to suspend email delivery, while remaining on the list - just ask sympa, who is quite sympatyczny (IMHO - in my humble opinion).

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Has anybody heard about estimations of black hole mass in normal nonactive galaxies ?? I mean some names, papers etc. mostly about statistics of BH mass distribution.

The first talk I heard where there was a strong claim that supermassive BH's (SBHs) exist in *most* galaxies, maybe all, was a review talk at the Kyoto (1997) IAU. The general opinion is that there is an observational relation between bulge mass - of all galaxies - and SBH mass. The most "late-type" spirals, which should really be called "disk" galaxies, have small bulges, and so are expected to have the lowest mass SBHs.

Observationally, the mass is between the velocity dispersion of the bulge "sigma" and the SBH mass (OK, that is not directly observed either).

Here's a nice long list. I wonder if something in the software between my computer and the final web archive will cut off the string which is longer than 80 characters...

http://de.arXiv.org/find/astro-ph/1/supermassive%3Bblack%3Bholes/0/1/0/2001,...

I've picked what seem (to me) to be the interesting ones.

I remember that from astro-ph abstracts, there has been debate about whether the relation M_SBH/M_bulge is linear (always about 15%) or non-linear. Since almost no astrophysical mass relation has nice power law indexes, I'm sure it's unlikely to be exactly unity, and more likely to be a broken power law with two regimes ;-) - the trick will be to work out why, and separate the cosmological and non-cosmological parts...

I've ***-ed the explicitly non-AGN articles.

Observational: ------------- review http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0107134, http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0008310, http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0006053 Merritt & Ferrarese http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9803211 Merritt

review http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0105230 Kormendy & Gebhardt http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0007401 Kormendy "SBHs in Disk Galaxies" ***I don't think these are AGN disk galaxies ;-)***

ApJ big paper http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0010240 Sarzi et al.

review http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9803307 Ho

debate back in 1997: really SBHs are just compact star clusters? http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9704232 Moffat

"Supermassive Black Holes in ***Inactive Galaxies***" http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0003268 Kormendy & Ho "Supermassive Black Holes in AGNs" http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0003267 Kormendy & Ho

IBH (intermediate mass BH - exciting - it's a star cluster BH - suggesting that BHs form in star formation clusters and that some may rain down into SBHs...) http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0106252 Ebisuzaki et al. [XRay:(ASCA + Chandra) + Optical:Subaru]

http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0109441 X-ray Evidence for Supermassive Black Holes in ***Non-Active Galaxies.*** Komossa et al.

SBHs in AGNs vs ***non-AGNs*** http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0104380 Ferrarese et al.

Is there an SBH consistent with the claimed relation in the spiral M33? Maybe: http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0107359 Merritt et al. No: http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0107135 Gebhardt et al. (I find Merritt et al. more convincing.)

relation of SBHs and radio emission http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9801129 Franceschini et al.

SBH mass versus light concentration http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0111152, http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0110159 Graham et al.

galaxy cores as relics of SBH mergers http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0110185 Milosavljevic et al.

limits on accretion rates onto SBHs http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0005516 Matteo, Carilli & Fabian

Theoretical: ----------- very nice link between planet migration, SBH mergers and AGN activity http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9912111 Gould & Rix

Formation of Quasar Nuclei in the Heart of Ultraluminous Infrared Galaxies http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9901333 Taniguchi et al.

g formation models http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0007369 Haehnelt & Kauffmann

Thus spake God: http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0109325 Silk

Thus spake God & God (but there are apparently strong counterarguments): http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9801013 Silk & Rees

how black holes are fed http://de.arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0112096 Zhou, Haehnelt, Rees

Thanks for asking for that. It gave me a good excuse to look up some fun stuff which I'm not working on directly. Which will be useful as a reference later on (if it's not outdated).

You'll have to do the work of finding the published references, at http://cdsads.u-strasbg.fr/, not everybody takes the effort to add these to astro-ph...

Pozdrawiam Boud